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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

If he's being excluded from that program based on his race then he is being harmed and its illegal.

If there was a program at your school offered only to white kids you would be up in arms about it. If flipping the races changes your opinion you are part of the problem.

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Tom Hayden's avatar

I am willing to put my real name behind my arguments and don’t need to hide behind an anonymous account. I think YOU are part of the problem, Mr Anonymous. You believe in the cause so strongly that you’re not even brave enough to use your real name. Own it.

My kid is not hurt by this program because I never applied to have him be part of it.

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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

You are willing to put your real name behind the consensus opinions of your peers and the powerful. Stunning and Brave!

It doesn't matter whether your kid applied to the program or not. Someone else might have or would have if they didn't know they were excluded. And the resources used for it can't be used for other (race neutral) programs.

More importantly, you have accepted the idea that it is OK to discriminate against people based on their race. Once accepting this principal it can be applied in other areas.

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Tom Hayden's avatar

What are you talking about? I've been the most critical of the District's equity programming, in public over the last two years. Where have you been? I took a lot of heat.

https://www.foiagras.com/p/evanston-and-new-triers-partnership

https://www.foiagras.com/p/vendor-profile-pacific-education

https://www.foiagras.com/p/district-65-consultant-who-skipped

I could go on and on. Of anyone in this town, I've been the most publicly critical of the equity programming, I think it's largely ineffective and a waste of money. I wrote a fucking story on wasted equity money LAST WEEK:

https://www.foiagras.com/p/the-curious-case-of-the-missing-333000

But I don't think it's discriminatory. Tons of government programs allocate resources to specific groups and exclude others. You're just butthurt because it's black folks getting resources.

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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

"Tons of government programs allocate resources to specific groups and exclude others."

"But I don't think it's discriminatory."

Are you literally capable of reading these two sentences next to on another without seeing the contradiction? Is your brain capable of such levels of cognitive dissonance?

As a description of how the government has behaved, it's certainly been acting illegally for a long time. That's lamentable, but that issue is now being addressed.

"You're just butthurt because it's black folks getting resources."

Giving special privilege to blacks is the same as denying it to whites (or anyone else). Just because you're OK with that doesn't mean others are and it's illegal.

I don't feel the white guilt that apparently drives your soul.

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Tom Hayden's avatar

Drives my soul? Come on, man. Again, I've written more things critical of this stuff than anyone else in town and not hiding behind an anonymous account. What are you afraid of? That someone might say something mean about you on a facebook group? 😭

Let's work through some examples:

Take the mortgage interest deduction - this is a tax break that massively benefits homeowners, particularly people who own large homes because they can write off the interest paid on a mortgage on their taxes. Is this program discriminatory against renters?

Or what about your precious women's sports? Publicly funded universities massively overfund men's athletic programs compared to women's athletic programs. Is this discrimination against women? Should Universities be required to fund equally, lest they lose federal funding?

If you're going to claim this is discrimination then you have to be consistent and argue that those are discrimination as well. If you want to have truly egalitarian federal funding policies, that's fine, but lets call a spade a spade.

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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

"Is this program discriminatory against renters?"

Yes, and I would like to see the mortgage interest deduction eliminated.

However, being a renter isn't a protected class under civil rights law.

Discrimination isn't illegal (a progressive income tax discriminates against the high income), specific kinds of discrimination related to protected classes like race are illegal.

"Is this discrimination against women?"

Men's sports drive interest, donations, and direct revenue to universities. College football is flat out profitable for the schools for instance. They are assets rather than liabilities. Women's sports are a sideshow nobody cares about, liability rather than asset. Though I do of course oppose men joining women's sports and beating them up because common sense.

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